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#61728 - Sat Jul 21 2012 22:03 PM Need Advice
JPK Offline
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Registered: Wed May 09 2012
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Loc: MA
Hello,
So, I am 23 and a couple of months ago I finally got the balls to sign the papers. I need your guy’s advice on my situation and I apologize in advance for the long post.

I have been training for the past year and around a month ago I finally started the enlistment process to be a PJ. I went through MEPS in Boston and passed everything, then they informed me that I had failed the color blind test.

The recruiter at MEPS told me that my job sheet would be limited but he didn’t tell me exactly which careers were available and which were eliminated until I DEPed in. So I DEPed in and found out and that my career selection was between weatherman and computer engineer. While these careers are fine, they don’t interest me.

I returned to my recruiter and he was “heated” that I didn’t accept to DEP in right away after I failed the color vision test. I told him that if I can’t be a PJ then I wasn’t interested in enlisting. I thought that to get discharged from DEP I had to write a letter to my recruiter’s superior explaining about my color blindness situation. Instead, my recruiter covered his own ***** and called his superior directly and “recommended” that I was unfit for a career in that air force.

Since then I have seen a civilian optometrist. The doctor says my visions is 100% fine. He gave me the color blind test and everything and I am good to go. Honestly, I still have some trouble with the color blind test at MEPS (The Dr. can’t explain it).

But my question is, should/can I find a new recruiter to get me to re-take the test at MEPS? Or is all my current information basically blackballed? Or, is there anything else I can do? My current recruiter wants nothing to do with me.

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#61729 - Sun Jul 22 2012 08:50 AM Re: Need Advice [Re: JPK]
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Loc: Sumter, SC
I can't give much information for your situation or what you should do to try and remedy the situation, but I was curious to see if you took your color vision test with slides (looking through a scope) or out of the book? I know the slides and the scope can cause a lot of people problems that can pass it out of the book no problem.

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#61730 - Sun Jul 22 2012 17:03 PM Re: Need Advice [Re: boxinabag]
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Originally Posted By: boxinabag
I can't give much information for your situation or what you should do to try and remedy the situation,...
It is also unclear if he was actually in a DEP status to get a DEP discharge, but if he was in DEP status (inactive reserve enlisted status) his situation is he screwed himself and it now s'ks to be him.

Color vision also has a contrast element, a person may have sufficient color vision in normal daylight situations, but this same person's color vision may have difficulties or inability to adapt to and function adequately in low light situations.

Originally Posted By: JPK

I told him that if I can’t be a PJ then I wasn’t interested in enlisting. I thought that to get discharged from DEP I had to write a letter to my recruiter’s superior explaining about my color blindness situation.
Indicates both possibility and probability of not understanding the legal Delayed Entry Obligation once enlistment into inactive reserve status happens.

The enlistment process to get a GTEP requires identifying five jobs the potential enlistee has willingness to do. The purpose is to prevent wasting the time and money sending people to process through MEPS that are not legally obligated to enlist.

So what is your DEP discharge Code? Your comments suggest you may have something similar to ZBD. ZBD is refused to enlist—separate action initiated or perhaps ZBC (Apathy or personal problems). Regardless, any I refuse to enlist ultimatum and you can’t make me enlist behavior and conduct trumps any medical disqualification problems in trying to enlist in the Air Force.


Essentially you made your DEP discharge code unfavorable for enlisting in the future as ethically, morally and legally you deserted and abandoned your enlistment promises of having willingness to do any one of the five jobs you listed. Having willingness is a conduct and behavior performance of having dependable, reliable and trustworthy character. A ZBD, ZBC or similar DEP discharge code is the accountability result of poor or undesirable conduct and behavior. Consequently you have both a medical disqualification obstacle and a behavior/conduct obstacle. Nobody has a right or privilege to enlist let alone get a GTEP contract to enlist to get trained to become a PJ. You overstepped into believing you had a right or entitlement, or privilege to demand and acted against your best interests out of poor or inadequate situational awareness. A refuse to enlist requires no written statement by the DEP enlistee giving an explanation why releasing the DEP inactive status reservist from enlistment contract is in the best interests of the Air Force. Expressing I refuse to enlist to a recruiter is the same as saying I quit to an instructor at PJ Indoc. As soon as you utter I refuse to enlist you become a piece of nothing to retuirn to the civilian employment opportunity line to get a job flipping burgers.

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#61825 - Tue Jul 31 2012 22:07 PM Re: Need Advice [Re: boxinabag]
JPK Offline
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Registered: Wed May 09 2012
Posts: 3
Loc: MA
Boxinabag: I was given the test with a flip book. In which you need to identify a number within a circle. From whome I have talked to, it is not uncommon for people with perfectly normal vision to fail this exam. Since I went through MEPS i have seen an optometrist and he confirms that my vision is 100%.

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#61827 - Tue Jul 31 2012 23:35 PM Re: Need Advice [Re: JPK]
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Registered: Wed Sep 28 2005
Posts: 452
Loc: RAF in England
They also have a new test which is done on a laptop, I'm not sure if this test is being used AF wide let alone at any MEPS stations.
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#61869 - Sat Aug 04 2012 12:50 PM Re: Need Advice [Re: JPK]
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Registered: Wed Jul 28 2010
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Loc: Crazytown, USA
I just completed my flight physical and I did the laptop color vision test.

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