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#60185 - Thu Feb 02 2012 09:23 AM Base Jumping
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Is there a course that teaches a Special Operations force how to base jump? I figure it could be a really good way of infiltrating a POI as well as a means of escape. FYI the idea came from a certain Call of Duty Black Ops level.
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#60186 - Thu Feb 02 2012 09:31 AM Re: Base Jumping [Re: waterbear]
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Hmm, have you thought of the effect of equipment load on the effectiveness and efficiency of the BASE jump?

Have you thought of the other equipment being carried around and now you want to add a parachute that need care from the elements in addition to there is often a lack of a suitable place to BASE jump from when you need it for such purposes?

Do you think you ought to get out of the basement of you mother house away from all the fantasy internet games and deal with the real world?

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#60187 - Thu Feb 02 2012 09:49 AM Re: Base Jumping [Re: waterbear]
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So that is a no. Well I did not think of the equipment but I honestly dont know how much equipment would be used. It was stereotypical of you to assume that just because I play a game means I don't deal with the real world. It was kinda rude but I was expecting that wink. Has it been considered? Thanks again for the respose.
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#60192 - Thu Feb 02 2012 12:09 PM Re: Base Jumping [Re: waterbear]
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Rude is a perspective.

Methods, procedures, equipment, tactics are not something found and purchased on street corner. What is given as entertainment in movies, television shows and video games are not remedies to problems or reflect how duties are performed and missions accomplished in the operational environment.

While knowing is difficult there is a difference in approaches from reasoning through and asking a question using common sense and doing it foolishly using make believe game rumors and other fantasy experiences. Reference the: “FYI the idea came from a certain Call of Duty Black Ops level”.

Bringing a child understanding as an supposedly a young adult (18-25 years of age and honestly a 16-17 year old should already have a developed some competencies level of pondering and deliberating reasoning ability) to a professional adult discussion with no attempt to use common sense reasoning is showing what form of respect to the adult professionals you are asking the question to?

In giving my response I reviewed your introduction post of July 12, 2011 where you disclosed being 19 years old. I also reviewed orientation context of your other posts. There is repetitive indicators in your comments and questions of your feet not completely grounded in the real world. You may want to consider other perspectives behind my comments other than the perspective it was an effort and decision of me to be rude.

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#60196 - Thu Feb 02 2012 15:08 PM Re: Base Jumping [Re: waterbear]
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waterbear,

I am not trying to be rude but think about what BASE stands for in BASE Jumping and think how very rare the opportunities to employ it would be.
B Buildings
A Antennas
S Spans (bridges)
E Earth (cliff faces, steep inclines)


Buildings: I cannot think of a single mission set for Special Operations in which you would enter a building, complete a mission in the building, then escape only as far as a few hundred meters away (the distance a Ram Air Parachute can travel).

Antennas: I can't think of a mission in which you would climb an antenna and then need to jump off of it.

Spans: In the rare instance that you needed to destroy a bridge then escape rapidly, there are probably safer ways to do it that attract less attention. Likewise, I the number of scenarios in which parachuting from a bridge is the best method of infil or exfil has got to be pretty small.

Earth: If you are dumb enough to get your back to a wall and have to jump for it with a parachute, chances are you are not smart enough to operate a parachute.

I can think of many safer and more covert methods to infil or exfil these structures. There may be occasions where a BASE jump makes sense but they would be exceedingly rare. I am not saying it can't be done, I am saying it would be really rare.

Throw in the difficultly of jumping with equipment, the noise and visibility of a canopy opening and the slider flapping in the wind during flight, the vulnerability of the jumper in flight and while trying to stash the canopy after landing, and it is hard to see enough scenarios to make running a BASE jumping course worth while.

It looks good in movies and in games but it isn't practical in the real world.
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#60199 - Thu Feb 02 2012 20:24 PM Re: Base Jumping [Re: waterbear]
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Alright then. Ill try and be less childish Yukon my apologies. Just assumed the military would invest (or at least consider investing) in something that could have been a skill needed sooner or later.
Now can someone explain to me the purpose of a "General Discussion and Buffoonery" forum because I clearly do not understand. A personal message will suffice.
Patrick covington


Edited by waterbear (Thu Feb 02 2012 20:58 PM)

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#60201 - Fri Feb 03 2012 02:56 AM Re: Base Jumping [Re: waterbear]
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This is the (nearly) anything goes forum...although it is called "general discussion and buffoonery", not all discussions contain "buffoonery"...this is the place where serious debates not entirely related to ST/PJ should take place.
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