If you know any dates of 2010 pj indoc courses could you please let me know, Also how long has anyone waited to receive there basic ship date for Pararescue in the Dep.

i believe TE has posted them already.
All i know (per recruiter) is that "the slots are full for this fiscal year and will not open up until at least september" which should put anyone's date that signs between now and sept. sometime next fall. Correct me if I'm wrong.

Geez, so if someone DEPs now they won't actually get to Indoc until Fall 2011? Or Fall 2010? Maybe you're phrasing of "next fall" is just throwing me off.
I've been working pretty hard, I can pass the PAST right now but I wanted to wait another 6 months or so to enlist to make sure I'm really at the top of my game. But if it takes that long just to get a slot, maybe I should start the process sooner. I thought for some reason it would only take a few months at most once I signed for the DEP.

It threw me off too. This fall, not next fall. 2010.

Apologies, ya'll are correct. **This** fall.
don't worry gonnabe, you're on the right track.

The fiscal year runs from 1 October to 30 September. If assertion all quotas (funded vacant manpower trainee positions for the career field--PJ, CCT, SOWT, TACP etc) are filled for current fiscal year is correct, then there are no slots (job/training position placements) to give to anybody until 1 October 2010.

The FY training quotas are released quarterly in equal in number batches dispersed as equally as possible to all recruiting squadrons until gone. One recruiting region may have used all their quotas and another may have some available. Thus making a generalized statement about what one recruiter said may be correct for his or her recruiting region, but not another.

FYI- A DEP status with a GTEP contract for PJ, CTT or any other AFSC does not give any guarantee a job reservation will be there for the Air Force to offer. Supply and demand, the career field is small, and passing the PAST is only a door opener to being in the draw with other applicant to get one of the perhaps 200 job reservations that are available each fiscal year.

Your game is a self assessment, the Air Force will do the accessing of your game being what you claim once you report to BMT and subsequently Indoc course.

You don’t have a clue what the game is that you believe you are ready to participate in. If you can pass the PAST, put a DEP contract behind your mouth to back it. At the moment you are not a volunteer or an applicant. You are just noisy talk.

DEP is connected to the fiscal year so to speak in a very simplified explanation of why DEP is a 12 month contract. In all volunteer military the training capacity is budgeted for so many AFSC course run per fiscal year. DEP gives the military services the way to manage applicants to enlist them and at BMT so the required occupational/vocational training starts immediately after BMT. Thus GTEP and DEP are connected to provide Air Force means to more efficiently enlist a person who meets prerequisite qualification when the job reservation placement position becomes available. DEP and GTEP are all about supply and demand. The demand for new PJs or CCT is less than the supply of applicants, unfortunately most of them are worthless one way or another (can't pass the PAST on the first dy of Indoc, cry for their mommy during the first week and SIE, have some sort of disqualifying medical condition they claim not knowing about), but this isn’t found out until the applicant reports to BMT and subsequently Indoc.

Thanks for clarifying, that's reassuring. I'm glad I just misunderstood. Interesting the way the DEP works too, I thought it was something like that but I was unaware it didn't guarantee you a slot. I'll keep that in mind.




I don't want to take this too off topic, so I messaged you about this part.

thank you all for your answers.

500swim745, 1.5mile run 8:15, push ups 100, situps100, pull ups 16.

Enlisting to become a PJ, CCT, SOWT, TACP is not a negotiation. Once fitness is obtained to pass the PAST or actually demonstrate having the level of fitness to comfortably pass the PAST on a daily basis exists the getting into sufficient shape excuse for not visiting a recruiter or the purpose enlisting become counterproductive, it becomes the easy justifying behind deferring following through too reach a personal goal. Stated from the Air Force’s perspective, the Air Force needs somebody to be a PJ or CCT, or TACP or …, but “the-somebody” doesn’t have to be you.

The combined status gained with concurrent DEP and GTEP is nothing more than a job reservation for placement within the next 365 days if and when the funded manpower position comes available. This depends on if Congress is funding for a stable, or an increasing, or decreasing fiscal year end strength force structure combined with how many currently doing the job are retiring, separating, retraining into other career fields and in time-of-armed-conflict become KIA and WIA.

Placement into training to do the job is also complicated by the capability to train. The Air Force only has the money, time and other resources to train up 120 PJ trainees (about the same number for CTT too) each fiscal year. The simplistic explanation is DEP and GTEP is used to limit hording indefinitely (applicants move on with life if job is not available within 365 days) and there is smaller groups of capable of making it applicants in each of the 24 recruiting squadrons that are realistically sized to projected force structure requirements and anticipated DEP loss (person becomes unqualified to enlist for some reason or decides not to enlist when the time to commit is faced).

At some point getting into sufficient physical fitness shape becomes counterproductive. Getting into sufficient shape is no longer a crucial element in career development once the required level of physical fitness is achieved.

Over-achievement in level of physical fitness is not the key to breezing through the Indoc Course. I and others who went through the mandatory required courses have repeated disclosed many others who had much stronger physical capability to swim, run and extra were the first to SIE, leaving us scratching our heads if they found it so hard why are we not SIEing too. Thus something else frustrated their personal goal to be.

Do or do not. Deferring starting an enlistment process or a commission appointment process in belief only a little more time is needed to over achieve to get best chance of success is trying lacking effort connected to accountability beyond being a strap hanger spectator with weak commitment and insufficient motivation. There is no engaging contributing participating involvement.

Yukon, well stated and agreed. I am only 'waiting' to move further because I can not yet meet minimum PAST standards. the swim portion(s) I'm confident in, I just did a 4150m group workout this am and dug deep, my run ability and cals are however is ironically lacking currently by a bit, which surprises me because my swim experience is limiited to this year only and I've played lacrosse cycled, etc. my whole life.

My goal, as many have advised to do so on and off this site, is to exceed the min. requirements (PAST). Yes I do believe as you,TE, and others have made clear, and as "Rescue Warriors" illustrates, the seemingly most unlikely, wiry guys are the ones left in week 6 and so on; it boils down to mental fortitude and will, no matter how fast your 500 is or if you can do 40 pullups in a minute. "Pararescue wants graduates, not record setters" (as stated by the Marine guy/ team 04-004 leader in the video) I just don't want to waste the USAF's time or money due to my ill preparation.

P.s. thank you for keeping us (wannabe's, gonnabe's, hopefuls, pipedreamers, etc. in check with our goals and purpose)

Nick.

How do you know if the quotas have been met for this fiscal year? I am currently in the DEP waiting for a CCT slot, and my recruiter does not know when to expect an opening.

It's a real-time system...if a quota drops, it gets filled.

The quotas for the rest of the Fiscal Year (FY) have probably been allocated. The FY runs from 01 October to 30 September each year. The dates and quotas for next FY will probably be announced in mid to late August. Your Recruiter should get information in late August or early September.

It seemed that most of the slots opened up in the fall. I have been in the DEP since April and my recruiter has not had any special tactics jobs since then. It now makes sense that there would be less jobs at the end of the FY and more during the beginning. Thanks for the information, this site had been an enormous resource for me over the last year.

my brother and i have been waiting for our dates. mine(cct) his(pj)
since april as well. i got mine aug30 and he just got his October 16. its kinda up in the air to when you could get one. most of the guys in the dep have been waiting for a year, i guess me and my bro got lucky

thanks guys, i just got my basic date, ill be there 19oct2010.