Your safety net is being given the PAST standards and knowing if you meet or exceed 50th percentile of physical fitness last measured on the national 1985 high school population and you meet or exceed the ASVAB score requirements the odds are the failure is because the applicant decided he really didn't want to do the job as much as they fooled themselves for various reasons into believing (most people quit).

Specific percentiles for test events pertinent to the President's Fitness Challenge.

The other issue is why should the Air Force guarantee an applicant classification (employment) in another job when AFQT, ASVAB aptitude area test scores, PAST, and medical examinations expressed on a percentile scale reflected the applicants relative standing as being within the general measure of trainability and predictor of on-the-job performance being representative standing in being of the 5% who do make it through PJ or CCT training and who subsequently successfully perform the duties of the specialty?

You are not asking for a safety net, you are asking for a guaranteed save of self image and a guaranteed pay check with you offering no guarantee of commitment and performance in return other than you better like the job and opportunity to get another job you think you might like or you won’t do it.

I didn't really think about it like that.I originally wanted to do security forces, so I just thought if for some reason I didn't make CCT that I could go the security forces route and had heard of others who did the same. Thanks for the new perspective.

I'm sure Yukon has the facts and numbers, but one of the reasons why a lot of the quitters go to security forces is because the Air Force, in the past, had plenty of openings in Security Forces and thats just where they always needed guys.

What I've been getting at is, if you, as you said, "originally wanted Security Forces", and you're just going to try to give CCT or PJ a whirl just because at worst, you think you'll end up in the job you've wanted all along (Security Forces), and at best, you could somehow squeak thru the program and, Hey! you'll be in Special Tactics; THINK AGAIN. Just take the time to sit down, be mature about it and decide once and for all what it is YOU truly want. If it's Security Forces, then thats that; go after it. And if your answer is CCT, then worrying about getting separated or what your safety net job will be won't be an issue because you can't think about that and consider yourself a serious candidate. Just have the guts to make a decision that YOU will have to live with.

I think I have I really want CCT and I'm just going to take my time and train and be as ready as I can.

From an instructor at Pope AFB through the AF news...

“We’ll get 100 of them in for initial indoctrination training [at Lackland Air Force Base, Texas] and 80 of them will drop out."

So apparently it's closer to %20.

He also stated that "once at Pope, the attrition rate is less than 6 percent."

That's a no brainer. But attrition rate is more focused on not completing the initial no-prior service enlistment of 4-years or 6-years.

This thread is specially focused on applicants who voluntarily stepped up for classification to perform duties with recognition and awareness of the difficulty and toughness of the training they had to complete. Before entering training they claim high confidence and hold perception they will not quit in the pursuit of their goal to become CTT or PJ, yet the fact are most quit the first week, because they never had any compulsion or conviction to put forth an everyday effort to begin with. They are given the PAST and ASVAB which predict they will successfully complete training. Unfortunately most applicants have selfish or self-interest reasons that wither away when the everyday being there participating equally with the rest of the class becomes too much reality for their self interests.

Attrition rates focuses on finding the excuse or the predictor for why some don’t complete a military enlistment.

Analysis of Early Military Attrition Behavior

My focus is less on the predictors as all applicants that arrive at Indoc have equality of self-determination which means they have dominance and control over their reaction to training being required to undergo. The concept of the training standards is nobody is predestined to pass or fail, but all have the ability to pass or they would not have a training slot to become a PJ or CCT to begin with.

Being in training required for award of 3-skill level that has enforced go (pass)/no-go (eliminated from training standards is something most applicants have never experienced in their life. Everbody gets a trophy and a passing grade in schools to include universities these days.

Although any applicant in any of the required courses to become a PJ or CCT can be eliminated for performance deficiency, misconduct, separation, death (training related), medical, prerequisite deficiency, death, security, unsuitability, compassion, excessive absence, and other administrative reasons, most who fail to get trained and qualified are not eliminated for the reasons listed.

One undisputable truth about 5%, 10% or whatever, is this statistic is unimportant to the applicant. The undisputable truth is most applicants self eliminate from training, meaning the decision was within their control. Many of those who self eliminate then spend the rest of their life trying to find an honorable excuse to justify to themselves and others as to why they quit or try to find a way to negotiate a way back into training because it wasn’t their fault they were eliminated and deserve a second chance, a third chance, a fourth chance ...

very well said yukon. 100% agree. especially the fact about self-interests. basically saying that "bad*ss" wannabe's will be expected to work for it, yet dont make the cut for obvious reasons. in my understanding, correct if wrong

Blah, blah, blah you Wannabes. In the words of Master Yoda (Yukon is second only to him in my book, well maybe third if you count Nick Rowe...) anyway in Master Yoda's words, "There is no try. There is only do or do not."

Gents, life really is that simple. Figure out what you want to do and then do it. Don't "Try". Don't make excuses. Just do it. If you quit, screw you! Your ego wrote a check your body couldn't cash! (more 80s movie quotes) Manning up means choosing a course of action and then finding the strength to execute it. All else is a bunch of self serving horse hockey, which, as Yukon suggests, our society is all to full of. If you want to man up and join STS, then man up. If you quit, man up and admit you quit. If you fail, genuinely gave it your all but were physically unable to make it, then you have nothing to be ashamed of. If you make it, you live everyday with satisfaction of having done something few men ever do. And then you have to work twice as hard to live the life of an Operator.

God, I'm glad Mikey Malz isn't here to read this crap!

Guard speaks truth. For all you current and future wannabes take it from me just do it. My check bounced and thats when I actually figured out all it takes is just to do it. And not just say it to your self like all quitters do before they quit but actually FEEL that there is no other option but to DO IT. If your worried about stupid shi* like attrition rates then you just became a statistic and even worse waisted a spot for someone else that WILL make and waisted dreams of people that can make it and would give their left nut to be in your spot but cant for some reason. Don't be me! cause I would now give my own left nut to be in some future quitters spot and do it all over again knowing and feeling the way I do now. It kills me knowing everyday I QUIT something so special and unique. So for you wannabes, stop worrying about numbers and "what it takes" on paper. If you want it then go and DO IT and don't quit. There is never that option for people who will have it. If you have that option you WILL choose it. Sorry for the long extended probably meaningless post Sometimes I get tired of reading what I wrote on this site over 2 years ago all the time so I figured I would let them (quitters) know where they will end up and that is where I am. NOT WEARING THAT BERET!!!

I know several people that have been eliminated or that have SIE and are still in the AF. It all depends on what type of Airman you are. If you did well in basic and worked hard in the pipeline. If cadre liked you but just didn't think the job was for you they and give you recommendation to stay in. But each case is different. But they are getting rid of alot more students now than when I entered the pipeline.

As of June 2010, per 2nd Air Force Commander, if you fail at any tech school including battlefield Airmen schools, you will be discharged from the Air Force. So either show up here strong and don't waste our time, or this is not for you.