Today I swore into the USAF with my BMT ship date set at 02NOV. I have been training for the pipeline for the past 5 months and take it very seriously. Through my training I have made great progress. I give my self the PAST once a month to see how I improve. I'm scheduling the official PAST for 2 weeks from today.

My latest PAST scores are as follows.

Under waters - 25mx2 (I figure 5 meters isn't that much longer)
swim 500m - 8:39
Run 1.5m - 9:49
Pull ups - 17
Sit ups - 97
Push ups - 83

I'm worried about my run time. In order for me to achieve a 9:49 I feel I have to push my self to the max. At the end of it I feel horrible until I catch my breath. I used to run a 8 minute mile before I started training. Running never came easy to me. I'm not to certain I could hold my 6:30 pace for 3 miles let alone 6 for the evaluations.. My fastest 3 mile time was a 23:08, slow I know. I have only ran 6 miles two times and they weren't timed.

My question is are their any current operators that had slower run times when they went into the pipeline but still accomplished the desired evaluation times?

Also, should I be concerned about coming out of basic with even a slower run time that will DQ me?

I would be very up set after all my hard work that I fail the run after basic to get into indoc.

If you're talking indoc, that's Pararescue and this is in the wrong forum...I can move it.

This is from the official procedures I'll be posting soon for PJ, CCT and SOWT:

3. A second PAST will be administered to all PJ/CCT/SOWT recruits no later than (NLT) 10 and no earlier than (NET) 20 calendar days prior to their EAD date. After completion of the second test each Squadron OPS must email the results from this test to the Group OPS NLT 5 calendar and they in turn need to email them to HQ AFRS/RSOPA at hqrsopa@rs.af.mil . The results of these PAST will be used by the PJ/CCT Indoctrination Course to evaluate the fitness level of the new PJ’s and CCT’s entering the pipeline.

4. If an applicant fails their initial PAST they cannot re-test for 30 days and if they fail their second PAST they must be cancelled immediately and cannot be re-tested and reserved again for at least 30 calendar days.

So keep that in mind.

You take the PAST again in BMT but failing it will not eliminate you from PJ/CCT but if that happens, it should be a wake-up call. You do have to pass it the first day of indoc...if you fail that PAST, you're eliminated.

I recently returned from a senior PJ conference and we had an indoc brief...roughly 43% of GTEP enlistees fail that first day PAST and are eliminated...additionally, somewhere around 5 individuals (from the class we discussed) self-eliminated without even finishing the PAST!! That is simply pathetic.

But I digress...your run isn't too bad but I'd recommend going farther...you've likely trained for just the PAST and can pass it but the run is pretty close (max now is 10:22) everything else (as long as you had strict form on the cals) is good...so run farther but don't overtrain.

As for BMT, take a jump rope, do cals anytime you can...ask about extra PT...you're going through at a decent time...there are lots of black flags during BMT in the summer so PT gets cancelled a lot...Nov shouldn't be as bad...PUSH yourself during BMT PT...don't just trot along. The week 9 eval time for the 6 mile run is 44:06.

Bottom line, if you want it you'll make it.

I was talking about getting into the selection course for CCT not indoc my bad. Thanks for the info and advice TE.

43% of GTEP fail the PAST on the first day of Indoc? I am utterly speechless. I'm a GTEP'er slotted for a Dec 08 BMT....

Overclocked,
Plenty of guys barely pass the run on the eval and barely screap by each week in the Pipeline. Others have problems with the cals, a few barely pass the swim. Passing is passing. Just remember, the better shape you are in at EVERYTHING, the easier life is. The Pipeline is full of stress; both institutional and self induced. Make life easier on yourself and address your weak areas before you start the Pipeline. You will be glad you did.
Keep up the good work. Good luck.

A huge wake up call that hit me in the face was that I realized I run in the evenings or at night. Both my PAST tests (I took 2 to make sure I was improving and I did) were given at 1200-1500. It is completely a different beating for me. I can run 6 miles no problem later in the day, but when it came time to do that in the morning, I was slow and my time was a joke.

So now I am pushing myself to run in the mornings, midday and in the evenings to constantly push my body to ADAPT to changing environment that I am not used to.

I hope to reach my 6 mile time in 45 minutes during ANY time of day. So the point I want to share is that if you wannabees are training on a regular schedule during a certain time of day...might want to confuse your body and change it up.

My worthless two cents if it helps anyone.

Serafin makes a good point; change up your routine from time to time. I usually PT in the morning between 0530-0830 when I work, and only rarely will I change it to lunch time (between 1100-1300) or even less often the last couple hours of work (1500-1700). On weekends I try to change it up. Normally I'll work out between 1100-1700 but sometimes I'll wait until 2000-2200 to workout.
Your body reacts differently when your eat/sleep/workout schedule are out of wack and it is good to have experienced that just so you know what it is like.
Another good idea is to change the order of your PT Events. If you usually do cals and then run, try doing the run and then the cals. You will probably notice a little improvement in your run but your cals will probably be a lot harder. If you normally run and cal on Monday and swim and water con on Tuesday, try swithching the days' activities.
Don't, however, let the desire to change up your routine prevent you from working out. Some people know that if they don't workout first thing in the morning, they may never get another chance that day. Sometimes your schedule is so tight, you have to fit your Workouts into very tight time constraints. For others, the availability of workout facilities dictates when they workout.
So, try to vary your workout schedule but not at the expense of missing Workouts. Its fun and sometimes surprising to see how your body reacts.