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#49726 - Mon Mar 16 2009 18:42 PM
The mentality behind not quitting
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Registered: Thu Nov 29 2007
Posts: 49
Loc: Patrick AFB, FL
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I might be wrong, but I believe quitting goes through everyones mind at one point or another, it is how we deal with those thoiughts of quitting that separates the quiters from the ones that drive on and ignore such thoughts. Here's an example. Whenever Im running long distances, I sometimes think, "ok I dont want to do this anymore, Im through, this sucks". When this happens, I do the opposite of what my brain tells me. I usually tend to speed up to avoid the desire to slow down even further, and eventually stop. My mentality is that those thoughts of quitting will be there for a moment, and later my mind will be on something else, and its like it never happened. So I was wondering what are some techniques people on here use when those quitting thoughts start to creep in. I suppose new techniques on how to deal with the quitting thoughts mght help other readers, and even me. Thanks.
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#49727 - Mon Mar 16 2009 18:59 PM
Re: The mentality behind not quitting
[Re: Willing To Do It]
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Registered: Sun Jan 27 2008
Posts: 154
Loc: STTS
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I personally do what you do. But I work midshift (11pm-8am) and i find myself going with no sleep mostly through the week and trying to train full time on top of it. My work won't let me off mids b/c they feel i was taking too much pt time. I use everyone there that i hate and the job i hate doing to fuel my fire. That's what keeps pushing me and making me go harder and harder. All those people at work who tell me i'm wasting my time b/c i'm not going to make it. I just think about that and someday coming back to visit wearing that scarlet beret and telling them how much they helped me will be an "ultimate i told u so."
i'm not sure how the rest of you guys do it but that is the gyst of how i keep myself going. I have always wanted to be in STS since the old days when i was young (not that long ago) and watching movies like NAVY SEALS and other movies that had some of a spin on what special operations is all about. I have always loved it and i just dont let my mind go any other direction! It's what is in your heart about it not whats in your mind i know that sounds cheesy but never let your mind tell you when it's time to quit. You just go until you reach the end. Remember there is time to rest when your dead!!!
GL all!
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#49728 - Mon Mar 16 2009 19:14 PM
Re: The mentality behind not quitting
[Re: MMcGon]
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Registered: Thu Feb 07 2008
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Amen MMcGon,
What you have said is the one thing I have heard every controller I have talked to say. You can be super star in high school or college, that's all well and a good benefit- but it all boils down to desire and heart. To train without sleep because you want it that bad, and dont like watching time go by wasted is exactly how I feel. I find myself at work getting in trouble trying to get guys in the store to do a quarter mile jerry can lug with 5 gallon paint buckets...I know exactly how you feel.
I found people just like me who wanted this and that is what is helping me push myself even more...
Good words man, keep it up.
Hope this motivates others as well.
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#49730 - Mon Mar 16 2009 20:27 PM
Re: The mentality behind not quitting
[Re: Bsjkg87]
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Registered: Sun Aug 17 2008
Posts: 19
Loc: Arizona
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Great topic!
I am a former PJ and my son is in the pipeline right now. Our motivation to become PJ's is very different.
Each person brings so many varied experiences to their day of reckoning. We all derive our motivation from the different trials and achievements along our journey. The end goal is the same, donning the beret, but what fuels our fire is as different as each one of us.
I was motivated by fear of failure. I couldn't imagine making that call to my parents telling them I quit. I was also motivated by so many doubters telling me I couldn't do it. Every day at the chow hall, AF security trainees would say this or say that about not making it through this week or that eval. When I went to see my son finish INDOC, the same thing was still going on. Over 20 years has passed but that had not changed.
Sure there are operators out there that are primarily motivated by doing the mission and that was/is what fuels them, my opinion however is that most guys have something else driving their desire. Here are a few examples of what got guys through that I worked with:
Sick and tired of a crappy or "normal" job. Do something high speed, HALO, SCUBA, rescue, ATC, etc. Was a skinny runt in high school and wanted to show everyone what he could be/do. Came up in a bad family situation and was determined to break out Was a spiritual calling Wanted to show some jerk that he was no average "Joe" College wasn't for them. Needed more from life than a 9 to 5 For PJ's, truely wanted to help his fellow man in time of need Fear of failure Desire to want to be the best of the best Thought PJ or CCT was the coolest job on the planet
I'm sure I've only covered a small portion. The key is finding out what fuels your desire and burn that into your soul. You will be tested. You will be pushed beyond your perceived limits. It is at this time that the fire that burns within you should be the brightest, lighting the path to your finish line. Hope this helps. Don't quit!
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#49731 - Mon Mar 16 2009 20:45 PM
Re: The mentality behind not quitting
[Re: moe]
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Registered: Thu Feb 07 2008
Posts: 96
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You described me there. My motivation is realizing I suck, I am bored in life, but highly motivated. I was and am a nobody. Sucked at sports and was always a 3rd stringer. So I want to prove myself that through my hard work and determination, I can persevere.
I feed off of the fact that even the scrawny nobodies were born to do great things.
Ive changed so much in just reading and talking to all of you, and I have humbled myself. That alone has gotten me priveleges and opportunities to train and learn from great people around me....willing to give their time and advice.
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#49960 - Mon Apr 06 2009 05:21 AM
Re: The mentality behind not quitting
[Re: FD]
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Registered: Fri Mar 20 2009
Posts: 40
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The way that I see it, is that you can run all you want, swim all you want, but all that really matters is game day, when your at INDOC and the Cadre is yelling during flutter's or up downs. You cant train your mind for that, you can train your body but your mind is something that we just cant go out there and train that way. I believe it happens something like this, you are running, swimming, doing cal's, flutter's, under water's whatever. You get to a little dark corner of your mind that you have never been before, a place where its just you and your thought "Do I really want to be here", no matter how far you push your body it'll take until your actually at INDOC to get to that point and you'll have to answer that question and only you will be able to answer it, nobody will be judging you it'll be you in that little room and all that you have to do is find the answer. A yes or no, that boils down in my opinion who truly makes it and how motivated an individual is. Edit: I wanted to throw in my favorite quote, its by Martin Luther King Jr., it inspires me to push myself, he said. "Fly, and if you cant Fly, Run, and if you cant Run, Walk, and if you cant Walk, crawl, but whatever you do, keep moving forward"
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#49962 - Mon Apr 06 2009 07:02 AM
Re: The mentality behind not quitting
[Re: Jael]
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Registered: Tue Jan 15 2008
Posts: 192
Loc: Dyess AFB, TX
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Here is a great post by El Duderino that I think encompasses the mentality behind not quitting. Am I ready? I agree with Guard MC's statement. You have to constantly prepare, you'll do that pre-pipeline and you're entire career. It's never over until you hang up the uniform but even then it continues on until you the day you die. To address the question, "am I ready." I think this is a twofold question. Are you ready physically? you have good x-fit times, but Indoc and Combat Control School are WAY different that the WOD's (trust me... I love crossfit more than most human beings. And I've been through the pipeline). Guard hit the nail on the head... you're never ready just keep getting better. the second part of the "am I ready" question is something, probably the main thing, that results in the MAJORITY of failures during the pipeline and that is your mental state. So are you ready? Only you can answer that and it has little to do with your physical prowess and everything to do with your mental fortitude. The following is something I read on the internet today (on a crossfit site) and I think it is worth reading; for all of you out there asking "am I ready." Read the following and answer honestly, if you have the requisite mental tenacity required to make it, you'll already know... I'll explain after... Why are some athletes better than others? How can that one phenom do all those WoDs so much faster? Why does athlete "a" get better results from CF than "b"? How can some girls and guys post the fastest times and highest scores day in and day out? What is it they are doing differently? It's simple. Just watch one of them. They all have things in commom. Just before the count of 3, 2, 1... go! They change. Some may give a nod and slight smirk. Others stare directly ahead with no measurable emotion showing. But each has a visibly notable change in demeanor just before the WoD begins. All anticipate the command of "Go" as they hope to shave even a tenth of a second by starting the WoD on the "guh" sound of go. During the workout, they don't mess about... they push themselves and spare no effort. They waste no time on water. They know it'll be over before they're dehydrated. And you'll not see them going for more chalk either. They are confident their grip will last. They do not waste energy on motion that does not contribute to the end. They push themselves to the point of collapse, and then maintain that pace. It's at that pace they've learned intensity can be optimized. If at this pace they push any harder, they will have to slow for a break. Any slower and they're wasting time. This pace is uncomfortable and painful. These athletes induce upon themselves extreme physiological stress. The perceived lack of oxygen and the heart beating at near maximum rate elicits signals from the brain telling the body to slow or stop. But the athlete ignores the signals and tells his/herself that it's only a warning, not a mandate, from the brain and they do not have to adhere. At this intensity, the lungs produce fluid to be coughed up while rolling around on the floor after the WoD. Add in blurred vision, auditory exclusion, numb fingers, hands, and even arms. And let's not forget degradation of fine and often, gross motor skills. And when he or she is done they'll deal with the blisters and bleeding. The discomfort and pain of this threshold dissipates quickly and are replaced with the rewards of accomplishment. And the reward is worth it. The lowest common denominator, the one common characteristic that all the champions and elite of any sport, competition, military unit, MMA, and CrossFit is mindset. In these athletes, exists the ability to put aside the unimportant and go focus on the goal. And then do whatever it takes to achieve that goal. But not just acheive it, exceed it and to make the goal insignificant and only a stairstep to the next. So the next time you finish up a workout, presumably today or tomorrow at the latest, and walk out of your training facility, to get into your car and drive away. Ask yourself this... "am I ok to drive". If it's an easy "yes", then one of two things happened at with your workout. Either you took ample time to cool down and recover. Or you didn't give it your all. Think about it. -t. this is what encapsulates the winners and separates them from the losers. how tough are you... how hard can you really push yourself... can you push yourself until you puke and keep going(and not by running right after a bigmac!). Mental Toughness is your key to success men! Train your bodies but also train your minds for the pipeline... do yourself a favor and read "the Gates of Fire" and really, truly, try to live those ethos. It may vary from operator to operator but personally, my mindset during the pipeline was to CRUSH and absolutely ANNIHILATE every obstacle put in front of me, failure and quitting was not an option. Make a conscious decision to cherish the challenges, embrace it like a man, like a warrior!!!! do that and your chances are pretty good, do it not and you won't make it very far; for your mind will quit before you've REALLY even pushed yourself to the edge. TE- sorry for the long post, I get passionate about this stuff.
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#50010 - Thu Apr 09 2009 14:38 PM
Re: The mentality behind not quitting
[Re: Lebo]
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Registered: Tue Oct 16 2007
Posts: 162
Loc: Hurlburt
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I get the "damn...this sucks" feeling all the time, but I just tell myself that it'll pass in a few seconds and to just hang on just like you do. I've noticed that I usually get that feeling when I get distracted while trying to push myself - because then my breathing gets thrown off, and discomfort sets in. I'll try to relax my body as much as possible while trying to maintain the same pace and before I know it, the feeling passes. I'll also taunt myself sometimes; that's a good motivator. Thinking too much sucks too - so I try not to do a lot of that.
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#55657 - Tue Sep 28 2010 13:41 PM
Re: The mentality behind not quitting
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Registered: Thu Sep 02 2010
Posts: 52
Loc: FL
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I realize I'm bumping an older thread, but I feel it has some good points. I'll also taunt myself sometimes; that's a good motivator. This is my key when the odds are stacked against me and everything is telling me to quit. I'll say things to myself: "Go ahead and quit like all the others' you worthless POS!" "You won't make it because you're weak, you'll fail like all the others". When I get to the point I'm telling myself this, the fire inside seems to explode and burn hotter than it ever has. Never quit.
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#56209 - Mon Nov 29 2010 07:17 AM
Re: The mentality behind not quitting
[Re: Willing To Do It]
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Registered: Thu Dec 17 2009
Posts: 38
Loc: SC
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Whenever I feel like quitting I think about why I'm doing this. This isn't for me, or my pride, or for a better job, it's for the person on the other end of the road who needs my help. It's for when we are out numbered and the only way to make it out is to get out fast. It is for the mission to go on, and to complete it at any cost... and I would rather do it in as little pain as possible, but also to be able to say, I did everything I could.
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#56330 - Tue Dec 07 2010 22:03 PM
Re: The mentality behind not quitting
[Re: Willing To Do It]
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Registered: Thu Feb 25 2010
Posts: 27
Loc: Alabama
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My weakness can cause someone to die. That is enough for me.
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#56334 - Wed Dec 08 2010 10:30 AM
Re: The mentality behind not quitting
[Re: Willing To Do It]
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Registered: Wed Mar 14 2001
Posts: 927
Loc: Anchorage AK, USA
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Quitting is like temptation, you don't truly know your response action until you are face-to-face and toe-to-toe with it. Quitting like temptation isn’t a performance task having outcome of effort relationship (a particular action yielding productive activity). Quitting like temptation is a rationality of the rules under which the task must be performed. The rationality simile is asking a cute young lady if she would have sex for a million dollars to which she responds yes. You then make counter offer of twenty dollars to which she indignantly replies with question of what type of lady do you thinks she is. The appropriate response is we have already determined that, we’re just negotiating the price. The context is quitting and temptation never have complete absence of potential or probability and each confrontation with quitting and temptation has equal opportunity to bite you in the butt on each encounter. There is a mentality, or rather a trait of character behind both and unfortunately there is no pill or bottle of water to drink to get this mentality or trait of character, it has to be cultivated and strengthened from birth to death. Some people have it, other do not, and most others are very confused and unable to figure out if they have it or don’t have it because they avoid the face-to-face and toe-to-toe dance with fate and destiny.
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#56335 - Wed Dec 08 2010 14:21 PM
Re: The mentality behind not quitting
[Re: Yukon]
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Registered: Mon Mar 29 2010
Posts: 13
Loc: Holloman AFB
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Well said Yukon. I doubt anyone attends Indoc assuming they will quit, yet the attrition rate is what it is. My attitude toward it is that I don't know yet if I'm the kind of guy who won't quit--I sure hope I am--and I really want to be tested in a way that will let me know for sure.
Congrats to all you guys who have already shown what you're made of--you're definitely an inspiration to the rest of us.
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