20:18? hahahaha. And you joined the military?

First time today did it in 28:48...a little disappointed was hoping to do it in under 28 mins. But just makes me want to train that much harder now, and I got until May 26th for BMT so I got enough time to work on it. Good Luck to everyone else training as well.

TJC,

I don't know WTF you're laughing at...I know a number of guys that run around 20/21 for 4 miles...and when they're pushing it, close to 19...and easily do 17/18 for the PT test (3-miles)...they want to serve their country, not run some track meet and be awarded a "medal"...so laugh all you want.

If one thinks that just because one may be a gifted athlete/runner/swimmer/etc. he/she would not join the military but persue strictly athletic pursuits, that is absolutely the wrong attitude...and ignores the very reason many serve...it's about courage, honor and love of country, not athletic prowess...best to keep that in mind before laughing at anything.

Those are amazing times. I am focusing heavily on a six mile @ 7 minute pace, and finding it to be elusive.

Amen TE,

This is exactly what fuels me. Being a piece of sh_t and not being good at anything, but pushing myself to attain the goals and standards that are set in front of me. To take my lack of talent, no good, non-super high school star body and transform it, seeing results, and keeping up with guys who are studs, pushes me to never give up. Serving my country in the hardest way possible, with constant physical and mental challenge is what I desire, and no other job in the civilian world attracts me. To step into the unknowing and having the heart and guts to try, to prove myself is what I strive for.

Good words.

21:15 is my best right now, only training hard will bring that donw. Joey thats a respectale time man dont get discouraged your doing good just keep up the good work and dont over train. TJC your way off, 20:18 first of all is an awsome time but you wont get far outside the AF with that time anyway, you need to be well below 19 min.

I'm mind-boggled by a four mile time at that speed. It is frankly beyond me. Running it in 28 would make me feel studly.

I think i'm going to try this tomorrow i'll post my time after completion i'm going to guestimate around 27-29 we will see..

Graduation 6-mile evaluation run times for class 74-09 at the PJ indoc (OL-J) back on 27 November 1973.

Time allowed 50 minutes.

Boyd 45min-50 sec; Canavan 43min-29 sec; Cassidy 40 min-40 sec; Crouch 38 min-59 sec; Cute 45 min-50 sec; Kasprzak 45 min-45 sec.

Followed by 4000 meter no fin, no mask and no snorkel swim. Max time allowed 110 minutes.

Boyd 92min-58 sec; Canavan 82 min-46 sec, Cassidy 94 min-17 sec; Crouch 97 min-38 sec; Cute 105 min-12 sec; Kazprzak 94 min-39 sec.

Followed by pool harrassment and buddy breathing.

Cals done were Chinups, situps, pushups, flutter kicks, eight count body builders and Hello Darlings.

I figure since we are boasting I'd boast of what I and the rest of my class could do in our younger days.

I ran 5 miles today before I saw this. I'm on a training regimen and today was a LSD day. I think I took the term "slow" in the LSD a little too literally I did it in 37:30. But I think for us mortals a 7 minute mile pace for 4-6 miles or beyond is respectable. I will run a 4 miler this weekend for time and post here. Good luck to all.

I wouldn't sweat it Monoman, as Guard MC stated earlier, (paraphrasing) if you meet the requirements...you meet the requirements. You want to aim to be the fastest, strongest guy you can be (and there are a lot of them on here, as evidenced by some of those run times); however, the goal is to perform a job.

There's really no place for boasting. If the guy next to you can run 4mi in 17 minutes, he probably isn't out PTing the the 200lb guy standing next to him. Surely, as soon as I hit submit someone will post that they can bench 400lbs, squat 500lbs. run 4mi in 16:30 and that Michael Phelps isn't that great of a swimmer. Healthy competition and discovering the next level in all disciplines, should that be your goal, is a good thing.

With respect to the "LSD" runs, many programs suggest they be run up to 90sec per mile slower than your Lactate threshold runs. I find that I, for a long time, have run my fast runs too slow and my slow runs too fast. You might find that if you slow it down a bit, on the slow days, you'll find that you can run a heck of a lot farther on long days and faster on short ones.

Gents,
As navetintel says, there really is no place for boasting and I stand by my earlier assertion that passing is passing. Everyone should strive to do their best, otherwise why would you even be drawn to PJ, CCT or SOWT?
Having said that, guys tend to get a false perception of what "fast" is. Here is my perspective. I was an average NCAA Division II Distance Runner in College but the fastest guy in 3 mile and up on both of my Selection Teams. In college, I ran the 10K at a 5:24 mile pace on the track and 5:15 on the road, both of which were considered very average. My 5K time was a very average 16:04/5:10 pace on the track and a 5:05 on the road. The good guys were running 10Ks at sub 5:00 pace and 5Ks at under 4:45 per mile.
BUT in Selection School I was the fastest guy running right at a 6:00 pace. A lot of the guys at Selection School thought they were fast running just under a 7:00 pace for 6 miles but some of the GIRLS on my college Cross Country Team averaged that pace on their LSDs. When I went home on leave after graduating Selection School I ran interval Workouts with the Girl's CC Team because I was too SLOW to run with the guys. Kind of puts it in perspective...

LOL. Thats great, I appreciate the input from you both. I know for myself I don't ever expect to compete with even that girls cross country team, I am sure they are a fine bunch of women. I think the important thing would be for a new pipeliner to stay focused on being in all around good shape and staying postive so they can keep improving on their own times and numbers.

I would like to say, Yukon, thats humbling to read your post. It puts a straight, all out 4 miler to shame. Props

The times posted for Class 74-09 are not the true comparison stick. As GuardMC made clear it’s more important to meet standards than to boast how much the minimums are exceeded.

I’ve been looking for a copy of a 1993 mission video for sometime. It’s the best documented verification for why functional fitness standards exist that I have ever encountered.

The mission was done by the Patrick team. The objective was to provide emergency medical aid and transport of an injured sailor.

Sailor was in stokes and in process of being hoisted to HH-60. Something went wrong resulting from combination of wave action, hover, and hoist control.

The patient on stokes goes over board between deck and railing. Stokes with patient hits water and is being dragged about 20-feet behind a 5-10- knot moving merchant ship.

Although stokes has floatation device the speed of movement is causing it to go under water. Video shows PJ does not hesitate, jumps overboard (about twenty feet to water) about one second, maybe less after the litter and patient.

Video show minutes of PJ moving legs and fins like crazy doing best to keep stokes and patient above water. Results one very tired PJ, but patient and stokes saved.

The moral of the story is the fitness standards exist only as a measurement of determining objectively to a go/no go standard of having what is needed to be there participating in the accomplishing of a mission.

Now if any operators know where that video is, I need a copy. Known copies in 1993 were at the Patrick Team, HQ ACC, HQ AETC, PJ School, and perhaps HQ PACAF.

4.5 mile in 32:11 up and down hills out around our flight line here.

isnt the indoc 4 mile run suppose to be done in 32:00minutes??

according to what i looked up on this site the 4 mile is 28 min, the 4.5 is 32 min

ok yes im sorry iv been doing the 4.5mile run on the 32 min scale and i overlooked the half mile less ok i was a little nervous i wasnt on track but thatnks for clearing that up

Set my own personal record today, at a 33:47. i felt good about it, and hope it starts dropping again.