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#35029 - Mon Jan 02 2006 14:13 PM CRO SELECTION NEWS ARTICLE
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CRO NEWS ARTICLE

FYI - The Public Affairs Office at Moody AFB wrote this article in an effort to educate interested candidates for CRO selection.
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#35030 - Mon Jan 02 2006 22:36 PM Re: CRO SELECTION NEWS ARTICLE
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In the article is says:

"The preparation candidates receive in Phase II is especially important for officer candidates because “washing out” of training is a career-ender, he said.

“Officers don’t get the option of retuning to a former career field or cross training,” the major said. “If they wash out of the pipeline, they are force shaped out of the Air Force.”

Is this new? I just read today that the AF is trimming another 40,000 personnel out in the next 5 years, is this a byproduct of that?

It just seems rather harsh since you might be a great _______(fill in the blank) officer, but not cut out to be a CRO. Not sure failing phase 2 should be a 'career-ender'.

Does anyone know if the same applies to STO's? Do you get the boot if you don't make it through phase 2?

-Andrew.

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#35031 - Tue Jan 03 2006 00:56 AM Re: CRO SELECTION NEWS ARTICLE
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Andrew - you are misreading the article. I stated that "failing out of training" could and usually does result in elimination from the USAF.

Selection is not training, it is a process to identify candidates best prepared to lead troops during a year plus of AETC courses and graduate themselves, as well as insuring those officers that are selected desire to make the CRO career a life long profession rather than a 4 year resume building "experience."

Not being selected is not a career ender. Except when your previous career field leadership learns that you wanted to be a CRO rather than a ____ (fill in the blank AFSC), they tend to find other officers to promote ahead of the guy that didn't get selected for CRO/STO, etc...

Elimination AFTER SELECTION AND ASSIGNMENT TO AETC FOR FORMAL TRAINING wether due to course failure, medical disqualification or disciplinary reasons is true of most career fields during initial qualification - and yes this is a result of force shaping. The taxpayer isn't paying the military to have guys bounce from one training program to another until they finally graduate from one. You either meet your contract to qualify and perform or seperate from the Air Force.

BTW, exactly what "the major stated" and what was printed are not exactly the same. Moody PAO is trying to help, and we certainly appreciate the coverage.

--- "the Major"


Edited by PJ2PA (Tue Jan 03 2006 01:00 AM)
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#35032 - Tue Jan 03 2006 20:33 PM Re: CRO SELECTION NEWS ARTICLE
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Yes Andrew, PJ2PA is Major Shepard. All of us figure that out sooner or later. You can look at his Bio and then checkout the contacts page on ST. <img src="/ubbthreads/images/graemlins/grin.gif" alt="" />

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#35033 - Wed Jan 04 2006 19:14 PM Re: CRO SELECTION NEWS ARTICLE
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Sorry for the misread, I understand what was meant. Thanks for clearing that up!

-Andrew.

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#35034 - Fri Jan 06 2006 06:31 AM Re: CRO SELECTION NEWS ARTICLE
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It has been this way with pilot training the last few years. Before most pilot training washouts would go to job fields that needed manning. Recently though, washing out of pilot training has meant being dropped from the AF due to force shaping. (though there are exceptions of people not being dropped so hold your horses)
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#35035 - Fri Jan 06 2006 06:51 AM Re: CRO SELECTION NEWS ARTICLE
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This article has been posted in our AFROTC detachment for several weeks and force shaping due to failing training has been talking about by our officer cadre a lot. I had two questions about this. If someone is injured in the pipeline (break an ankle at airborne maybe) are you given time to heal and continue in the pipeline generally and secondly I had heard that force-shaping was almost done as far as eliminating active duty officers and that it was moving to lowering the number of commissions and that the enlisted force on active was too large and had to be "force-shaped". Is this true? Does that mean that policy with the STO/CRO pipelines and with UPT trainees may change? Just curious, thanks!

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#35036 - Fri Jan 06 2006 11:33 AM Re: CRO SELECTION NEWS ARTICLE
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Keith86,
I can only answer your first question. Yes they will keep you if you are worth keeping. My buddy who I went through team with, had knee surgery a little bit after graduating INDOC. Cadre decided to keep him until his knee is fine and he is ready for his next school. He's been at Lackland for a year an half already.
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#35037 - Mon Mar 20 2006 10:02 AM Re: CRO SELECTION NEWS ARTICLE
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Am I the old one that thinks that its really earie that they quoted the Maj that died in water Con training a few months after the article was published
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#53927 - Wed Apr 28 2010 10:13 AM Re: CRO SELECTION NEWS ARTICLE [Re: endevor]
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Hello all!

The last time someone posted to this thread was just over 4 years ago so I am just looking for some updated information. Is USAF still force shaping? If you fail out of the CRO pipeline do you still lose your commission/ are removed from USAF?

Thanks!

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#54222 - Tue Jun 01 2010 10:54 AM Re: CRO SELECTION NEWS ARTICLE [Re: Ejsmall]
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They've swapped around some high year tenures in the enlisted side but as far as CRO, i don't know.

You can quit out of the CRO pipeline at anytime, but 99% of officers do not. Once you graduate the pipeline, there is no longer an option to back out. You'll just get reabsorbed into another AFSC or the one you came from before you started the pipeline until your service time is up.
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#55988 - Mon Nov 01 2010 12:14 PM Re: CRO SELECTION NEWS ARTICLE [Re: minutemanjs]
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Force shaping has been reduced significantly. Most career fields no longer require down-sizing, but the military is dynamic so things could change with wars drawing down/new conflicts popping up/new political leaders.

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#55995 - Tue Nov 02 2010 07:08 AM Re: CRO SELECTION NEWS ARTICLE [Re: PJ2PA]
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Failing or quitting is not career enhancing.
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