I've been searching to see what happens to those after quitting indoctrination. I haven't been able to find it and if i just overlooked the information i'm sorry. My fiancee just quit indoctrination TODAY...Over water confidence, he is going to try again as soon as he gets the chance...he only had 4 weeks to go. I was curious to find out what happens after all the paperwork..how are their jobs decided? He is straight out of basic so he hasn't been to tech schooling at all, he told me that his job will be basically "chosen by the air force" but i've heard rumors that they may just take what his next job selection was from before he went to BMT. Any information that i could pass on to him would be great. As for right now..he gets to hang out in the "quitter" dorms...:(

If he's smart, he'll quit you. What kind of a spouse (or would be in this case) "supports" her husband by going to a public forum and calling him a quitter? None that any smart man would want.

Bravo. You're on the right track for undermining his confidence and causing him more headaches than he needs. The bottom line? It's not about you so get over yourself. You could use a few lessons in humility. Best of luck to HIM.

Man Booby doesn't sound like she was meaning to sound so negative to me. I'm willing to bet he told her he was housed in the "quitter" dorms. Her post sounds to me like she is trying to find some information out for her man, who is probably beating the crap out of himself right now.

Julie check out the Documents, Publications, Workouts, and Videos section. Download the handbook and you may find what you are looking for in there on page 15 under subtitle ringing out.

Boooby you need to take a time out and chill for a second. She is just trying to get some information on her man. The truth is that he did quit so i dont know what your deal is. She is just telling it like it is.

May seem hostile to you both but regardless of him quitting (the truth) and staying in the "quitter" dorms (possibly his words), it isn't necessary to add to his misery by making a public spectacle of the guy. Reeves, you are most certainly right in stating that he is "beating the crap" out of himself right now; my point all along. I would think the personal humiliation and self degradation would be enough. Want me to chalk it up to age? (hers, not mine) Fine. My belief still stands that a mature, professional woman would have addressed the situation more tactfully, leaving out the "frowning faces" and specific facts that could identify him ("my fiancee just quit indoctrination TODAY...Over water confidence") to others. What about his right to lick his wounds privately?

So, a compromise gentlemen: Julie, my message, while notably harsh, was well intended. If you are planning to spend your life with someone who will continuously face extreme challenges, some which he may fail, you need to be able to handle the situations delicately and privately. There are ways to gain information without causing embarrassment (ex. send a PM to the Administrator TE. He is a wealth of accurate information, professional and discreet.)
Call me old and grizzly but at least you'll never question the loyalty.

Joe

boobytrap,

The same advice could be given to you...instead of berating a future spouse in public, perhaps a PM to HER explaining your concerns would have been more appropriate...the fact is, there were probably a few quitters during this week (perhaps even today)...all of whom are likely beating themselves up...if her man has a problem with it, they'll work it out...but licking one's wounds privately is not always the best medicine...either way, that is not your judgement to make...perhaps he even gave his blessing that she post here to try to find some info. Its obvious she is upset and simply trying to figure out what comes next in her future husbands life...which obviously affects hers...your jumping down her throat accomplishes nothing. Its also obvious that she is indeed supportive and is likely a woman one would want to hold on to.

Julie,

It is possible your husband will get his second pick of an AFSC...or be given a list of available (usually undermanned) jobs that he can go into. Also, if he quit (self-eliminated) it is highly unlikely he will be allowed to return to the course...it depends on what the cadre and AETC think, and is based on their recommendation(s).

Julie and "Booby" (fitting name),

I sent you both PM's...albiet different context I must admit... <img src="/ubbthreads/images/graemlins/wink.gif" alt="" />

Julie...Good Luck to both of you!

"Booby"...well, you'll get the message

First i'd like to post thank you to those who gave me useful information that i may pass on to my fiancee. He was glad to hear the information i had found for him.

Booby - as for you, i find you very bitter, for whatever reason i'm sorry you felt the need to belittle someone today - i hope it made you feel better - I've been with my fiancee for 2 years, i was there before he was in the air force, have been there EVERYDAY sending him letters packages, and even paid his monthly bill for a new cell phone so he can contact Whoever he would like (Family and friends) i will CONTINUE to be there for him 110% - i must say that i have respect for all PJ's - i have seen what they have to go through in training with my fiancee, but as for the "person" side of you, i could never respect someone who puts judgement on people he has NO idea about. The "Quitter" title was for the "Title" - i wasn't calling my fiancee a quitter, he knows i am there for him, i will always be. OF course i'm upset that he didn't make it through indoc, i know how hard he trained for it and i know how hard he's beating himself up over it. THAT IS WHY I'M SAD...As for posting on a forum, no one knows who he is - he asked me to post on here since he was a member of this forum before he LEFT. I never made this all about me..so excuse ME for my Hostileness but you my friend need to re-evaluate your own self worth before you decide to let someone know what you feel theirs is...

Again i want to thank TE, TST,huaerforce , and Reeves for the information, he appriciated it...TE..He did self-eliminate but he was told he could come back in 18 months to try again...do you know if that's true or was he misled? He was filling out the paperwork to sign out of the course and someone told him this information..

Thank you

TE, duly noted.

Julie, a PM to you.

Julie,
From a past thread that was posted by F27Corsair, he should be able to call the Cadre at Lackland (or ask in person, since he's still there) and ask for his Form 125A, which will have the Instructors' recommendation for if he can return or not. Good luck to you guys.

Julie,

Wootie is correct, it should be on the 125A...and I doubt he was misled...he should be able to return.

His challenge now is to regroup, drive on, do his very best at the job he gets, and prepare to crosstrain when he is eligible.

i dont usually read this kinda stuff, or respond for that matter. i just couldnt resist replying to the boob. you ever been to selection of any spec ops job? go watch another rambo movie and play paintball on the weekend dude...

The quitter subject has always been touchy on team. Although I do think there is a difference between a quitter and someone who DECIDES the job is not for him. I knew a couple of those guys who just didn't want to do it and they were physical badasses. Anyway, to respond to the post...unfortunately the jobs right now are not that great. They have a small list to choose from, firefighter, cop med tech, services-services-services. Most everybody is getting cop or services unfortunately. If the guy can make nice with the people who make the decisions, he may be able to get a good job, but that all goes to initiative. I know this info b/c I just came from the dorm they put all the broken guys and SIE/DQ guys. If he can wait to reclass after the new fiscal year, more job openings will be there and he'll have a better selection. Good luck to you both though.

J'

Forgot to mention...they have a good deal going on right now for pj/cct gus who reclass. They can go TACP, which is not even on the reclass list. And the new fiscal year is next month, not '05

One thing I would like to add for Julie to pass on to her man - be knowledgable of the jobs you pick from and and decide on. Don't rest with one answer to your questions about them either. When in ROTC, I took everything the instructors said as gosple and learned a bad lesson the hard way. One of the instructors informed me of the CRO/PJ career field, but said neither was an option for me - PJ 'cause I was going to get my commission and CRO because they weren't taking anybody from out of the career field, only prior PJs. I wanted to apply for pilot, but they submitted my paperwork late because they "forgot" I wanted to apply. They told me to "just pick any other career and then cross train - it's easier that way anyway".

Lesson1: I could have declined my commission and enlisted and tried for PJ (hindsight - best choice)

Lesson2: I could have applied for CRO, it was open.

Lesson3: Don't rely on others, no matter their rank or position to take care of you, take care of yourself

Lesson4: It aint easier - I got locked into a career (13B Air Battle Manager) that refuses to let me go no matter what reason I give them even thought they have no legit excuse.

Bottom line: before you agree or sign for anything, KNOW, KNOW, KNOW what you are gettin in to.

I would have to second the TACP option it is much better than most of the others especially if he plans on coming back and trying again.

Of course I am kinda partial to TACP.

Best of luck to him what ever he decides to do.